can work MS II on it ?

joralfg · Post by **joralfg** » Wed May 17, 2006 8:13 am

can ms II works on VR sensor and the trigger wheel has 60-2 teeth ?

Is a edis system... thanks for ur post about ..

regards

Bernard Fife · Post by **Bernard Fife** » Wed May 17, 2006 9:48 am

joralfg,

It depends on whether you want to:

- use MS-II directly, and not the existing ignition module, in which case the answer is NO, not yet.

- use MS-II in conjunction with the existing ignition module, in which case it depends on what sort of signals you module gives and expects. For more, see this: http://www.msefi.com/viewtopic.php?t=7822

Lance.

derekste · Post by **derekste** » Wed May 24, 2006 7:25 am

Lance,

I am in the same situation is the OP, and had a few followup question.

I understand the 60-2 crank triggering with running MSII + no stock ignition module is bleeding edge and currently not supported, but I have read lots surrounding its development. How far along is its progress?

The motor I am building (VW ABA) has a 60-2 stock, but I am thinking Ford EDIS is going to be the second easiest way to set up a distributorless ignition system (for now). This engine is going to get running with or without 60-2 support, however I would be interested in getting involved in the development of native 60-2 support within MSII if it is sufficiently far along where you are looking for guinea pigs.

Bernard Fife · Post by **Bernard Fife** » Wed May 24, 2006 10:11 am

derekste,

I have tested the 60-2/VB921 combination on the bench up to 15000 rpm, and it all looks good so far to me. The missing tooth code appears to work fine, as does the ignition output. So for a distributor configuration, it is ready to try in a vehcle.

However, not many 60-2 crank wheels came on vehicles with distributors, I suspect. So the other half of the solution is driving multiple wasted spark coils. At this point, the MS-II code only supports a single distributor/coil, or a module that can take 'distributor-like' single signal (such as HEI or Ford's EDIS).

There will be support for a second VB921 internal ignition module in the Microsquirt code (which will run on MS-II), and this *might* allow wasted spark for 4 cylinder engines with no external ignition module (a second VR sensor might be required, but it might not - depending on how the code is written. The second VR sensor is handy for things like V-Twins and other odd-fire engines, but I suspect the code could easily accomodate a single sensor for even-fire configurations. Whether Al puts this in the code, or someone does it after the fact, I am confident it will happen in time).

Lance.

maddios · Post by **maddios** » Thu May 25, 2006 1:34 am

hehe actually my 1991 M5 (s38 b36 motor) has a 60-2 sensor wheel AND a distributor. Is the detection of #1 cyl automatic? or is it an update in the code? as the manual doesn't mention it at all without the EDIS

Do i need to use the router board if i want to do this with individual injector timing? in other words where does the router board getthe 60-2 signal from? or does the stock MSII already have the 60-2 system? i just didn't see it anywhere in megatune

haven't assembled the kit yet, just finnished with the powersupply section, so i'm just doing research for the near future

derekste · Post by **derekste** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:21 am

lance wrote: However, not many 60-2 crank wheels came on vehicles with distributors, I suspect. So the other half of the solution is driving multiple wasted spark coils. At this point, the MS-II code only supports a single distributor/coil, or a module that can take 'distributor-like' single signal (such as HEI or Ford's EDIS).

so, if I understand what you said correctly, in my situation (that is, having a 60-2 wheel in the block and not wanting to run a distributor even though I could) would be to use MSII to process the 60-2 input, then run the "distributor like" signal to EDIS to drive wasted spark?

basically, I guess what I am asking is whether or not I can run the EDIS controller with MSII and no additional 36-1 wheel since I already have a 60-2?

Also, I could have sworn that I read somewhere (perhaps dreamed??) that there is/was going to be a way to run multiple VB921 circuits in parallel to drive an individual coil/cop on each cylinder?

(at this point I know it seems like it might be easier to just run a dizzy, but I swear I have my reasons!)

Bernard Fife · Post by **Bernard Fife** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:58 am

basically, I guess what I am asking is whether or not I can run the EDIS controller with MSII and no additional 36-1 wheel since I already have a 60-2?

derekste,

If you are talking about Ford's EDIS, then no, you cannot do this, since the 36-1 signal goes to the module, not MegaSquirt, and the 36-1 is hard-wired.

If you are talikng about another distributorless module, then you would need to tell us what sort of signals it sends and expects.

Lance.

derekste · Post by **derekste** » Fri May 26, 2006 10:14 am

lance wrote:
basically, I guess what I am asking is whether or not I can run the EDIS controller with MSII and no additional 36-1 wheel since I already have a 60-2?
derekste,

If you are talking about Ford's EDIS, then no, you cannot do this, since the 36-1 signal goes to the module, not MegaSquirt, and the 36-1 is hard-wired.

If you are talikng about another distributorless module, then you would need to tell us what sort of signals it sends and expects.

Lance.

Ok, after rereading what you said, things make more sense. Despite not initially wanting to run a distributor, it looks like I will probably be going with the VB921+distributor combination... until I get comfortable enough with MS to start integrating support for multiple coil control. Has there been any work done on this yet? I thought I remember reading about someone running multiple VB921 circuits on this forum, but I can't find it anywhere now... (if it ever even existed, lol)

vlopsahl · Post by **vlopsahl** » Mon May 29, 2006 7:07 am

I am running my engine with a 60-2 triggerwheel and a distributor. VW 2,0 16V ABF. The waste-spark coil and another VB921 are waiting to get into my MS-II. I hope someone modify the code so that I can drop the distributor. I have only been running my engine for about a week on MS-II and it will not idle or run right before the temp is 90 degrees C. When I get time I will try to make my VDO-idlevalve work in â€œPWM-warm-upâ€.

derekste · Post by **derekste** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:48 pm

vlopsahl wrote:I am running my engine with a 60-2 triggerwheel and a distributor. VW 2,0 16V ABF. The waste-spark coil and another VB921 are waiting to get into my MS-II. I hope someone modify the code so that I can drop the distributor. I have only been running my engine for about a week on MS-II and it will not idle or run right before the temp is 90 degrees C. When I get time I will try to make my VDO-idlevalve work in â€œPWM-warm-upâ€.

try getting ahold of this guy, he seems to be getting similar problems worked out http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2637917