First Time With Autotune--Oscillations

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scowman
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First Time With Autotune--Oscillations

Post by scowman »

So I got AutoTune to run by changing the parameters in the config.ini file.

And I also got the O2 sensor to work properly by getting the software bug out (thanks to Lance:))

Now when it idles, it oscillates between rich and lean. That is, the O2 sensor pegs between + and -. It also moves between squares on the VE table. I cannot get it to sit still.

When I turn auto turn on, it will tune one of the squares, but not the other square it is oscillating to. Very strange.

Any ideas?

How do I attach a datalog?

Thanks
MS-II V-3 Megatune 2.36 Relay Board
1974 Jeep J10
Stock AMC 360 with smog removed
GM TBI with 55# injectors
Duraspark with HEI External Coil and 8 Pin Module
scowman
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Post by scowman »

Anyone?
MS-II V-3 Megatune 2.36 Relay Board
1974 Jeep J10
Stock AMC 360 with smog removed
GM TBI with 55# injectors
Duraspark with HEI External Coil and 8 Pin Module
Bernard Fife
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Post by Bernard Fife »

scowman,

If this was mine, to reduce the autotune oscillations I'd reduce the proprtional gain and reduce the 'lumpiness' in the autotune settings. I'd also make sure the step size in the EGO settings is 1%, and make the ignition events per step at least twice the number of cylinders.

There's more on autotune here:
http://www.megamanual.com/megatune.htm#autotune

However, a narrow band sensor will not normally 'sit still' - the outuput curve slope is so steep near stoichiometric that a very small change in mixture (which is happening all the time) creates a large change in output, and the output swings back and forth. So for a narrow band, there are three modes, in effect:

steady and low = lean

oscillating = stoichiometric (or potentially some problems, like a misfire, so oscillating means stoich only in the absence of other problems)

steady and high = rich

Lance.
scowman
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Post by scowman »

Lance wrote:scowman,

If this was mine, to reduce the autotune oscillations I'd reduce the proprtional gain and reduce the 'lumpiness' in the autotune settings. I'd also make sure the step size in the EGO settings is 1%, and make the ignition events per step at least twice the number of cylinders.

There's more on autotune here:
http://www.megamanual.com/megatune.htm#autotune

However, a narrow band sensor will not normally 'sit still' - the outuput curve slope is so steep near stoichiometric that a very small change in mixture (which is happening all the time) creates a large change in output, and the output swings back and forth. So for a narrow band, there are three modes, in effect:

steady and low = lean

oscillating = stoichiometric (or potentially some problems, like a misfire, so oscillating means stoich only in the absence of other problems)

steady and high = rich

Lance.
Thanks for the reply Lance!

Maybe I have a misfire. I will change all the plugs on that side and see if it gets any better.

I guess a wide band is the answer.
MS-II V-3 Megatune 2.36 Relay Board
1974 Jeep J10
Stock AMC 360 with smog removed
GM TBI with 55# injectors
Duraspark with HEI External Coil and 8 Pin Module
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